Wednesday, March 15, 2006

Are We-Men Good Enough?

Yesterday I received a rather innocuous email forwarded by my friend. It came with a disclaimer “How to think like an M.C.P” and the story indeed portrayed how inane women are in comparison to men. I decided to give it the due neglect it deserves, but couldn’t resist forwarding it to a few good Samaritans who I knew would be jobless enough to appreciate enough!!

Just after a few ‘email seconds’, I received a reply from my good friend Mr. B. He, who proclaims himself as “Me De Man !!”, reveled at the wise content of the mail with a Mogambo like Muuuuaaahaaaha laughter. He stated that a recent research by a professor says that women are biologically inferior to Men in Scientific and Mathematical skills!! As Cartoons and PJs are the most controversy triggering topics du jour, I had to give his comment a befitting reply and thus a foray of emails were sent between the two of us.

Though both of us were indeed trying to score a point every time, some interesting thoughts did come up which I am glad to share with you. (I lost the first mail from Mr.B in this chain, but you still can understand the plot)

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From : Me

I believe it is foolish to compare two entirely different subdivisions of the same species because they are created for entirely different purposes.

We never compare a cuckoo with a nightingale or a panther with a cheetah. Even if we compare, it never boils down to a mere superior-inferior break down.

They are simply different and they have different purposes in life.

It doesn’t make sense for man and woman to have equal skills in everything because then the very purpose of having man and woman separate doesn’t make sense. Remember certain animals can change sex during the course of their life pro creational purposes. So It has to be with a reason we are created the way we are and I wonder which university would fund such professors to spend time on such researches. He should rather use his superior scientific brain to find permanent cure for aids !!

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From : Mr.B

My response below in blue.

I believe it is foolish to compare two entire different subdivisions of the same species because they are created for entirely different purposes.
It is not when one sub-division claims to and demands to be treated equal without proving themselves to be equal. If I claim to the world that everybody treat me equal to Einstein, then I have to prove that, else not claim or demand it.

We never compare a cuckoo with a nightingale or a panther with a cheetah. Even if we compare it never boils down to a mere superior inferior break down.
You are right, we shouldn’t compare a sparrow to a rabbit, but we sure compare a male rabbit to a female rabbit, if and only if the female rabbit claims the above point.

They are simply different and they have different purposes in life.
True.

It doesn’t make sense for man and woman to have equal skills in everything because then the very purpose of having man and woman separate doesn’t make sense. Remember certain animals can change sex during the course of their life pro creational purposes. So It has to be with a reason we are created the way we are and I wonder which university wud fund such professors to spend time on such researches. He shud rather use his superior scientific brain to find permanent cure for aids !!
I agree and not only animals, these days, even human beings are doing that. The university is Harvard itself and he is not just a professor but the president (not anymore) of Harvard. Instead of refuting his opinion by statistics and proof they simply seem to agitate. Alas they are women!!!

Link to the controversial news

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From : Me

I really do not have much knowledge of what the so called feminists claim to be or demand for. In fact I even feel they are one of the most misunderstood lots. I don’t even think any intelligent feminist would blindly say consider me as equal as a man…If at all she would, the context in which she might have said that has to be given due weight age.

Nevertheless, it is a known fact that discrimination has been and is being done on the basis of sex. Denying education, a good living and in many cases, even birth owing to your sex is gruesome.

I have often felt that people in the relatively upper strata, like us, often fail to understand the nuances of discrimination being done. But the true stories from a remote Indian village might paint a different picture that you might want to brood over.

Moreover, personally I would never argue to consider me equal to Einstein; Not even Madam Curie or Shakunthala Devi. But I certainly know that I can be better in certain job profiles than a lot other peer male/female members I have worked with. So if I “can” do a particular job better than some one else, just don’t discriminate because I am a female. Again, please don’t expect me to do a certain thing only in a certain way because I am a female. !! That is what I call a fair playing ground.

Quite often, human mind loses its rationality and once the mob psyche overtakes, the only thing they are capable of doing is agitate. This is true to both men and women. We have innumerous riots and violent attacks spread all over the history to prove this point- Lead by both men and women.
:)

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Our discussion stopped here. I am not sure if we both reached on the same page or if we just agreed to disagree. But I did take a look at the link Mr.B sent and from that I learnt that -
Mr. Summers was just expressing a suggestion at a conference on women and minorities in science and engineering. It was neither his research finding nor was he voicing the opinion of Harvard. Probably the guy just needs better coaching as to how to use his freedom of speech more sensibly on sensitive issues especially when he sits of hefty chairs.

As far as the agitation staged by women who felt offended, well it is natural to feel offended, but there certainly could have been a better way of doing it!!

21 comments:

Sheeba said...

I agree and believe that men and women are simply different and yes our brains are used differently. For eg; The motor skills of boys might develop at a faster age than a girls. But a girl would learn to express herself both in vocab and emotionally much faster than a boy.

Just goes to show that one completes the other? :)

Cheezespread said...

quite a fiery topic !...its been there from the time people ( both men and women ) started sayin abt equality and all!!!...i mean whats equality !!....let them live the life the life they are supposed to ...or they want to !!...that means more than anything !...i guess ...

Anonymous said...

No two men are equal; they are only similar. No two women are equal; they are only similar.If they were equal, the entire genom project would have got a Nobel prize for stupidity. Then why fight the shadow.

Let us enjoy the veriety, the difference, the hetrogenity given to us in a platter. This is possible only if we learn to respect another individual;he or she.Not only the Harward professor many are wasting their time on such issues in a fatous manner.

RBK

LightRain said...

To be honest, succumbing to this whole male/female debate itself belies the very cause the so-called or self proclaimed feminists are apparently trying to defend. There is nothing to prove in here. There is no question of male vs. female dominance/importance. By feeling the need to prove it, you are actually giving way to a small area of doubt where there should be none. Also, a 'comparative analysis' of male and female abilities, if used correctly, need not be interpreted as an exercise to prove the superiority of one over another. It might, at best, be used to address the different learning or development needs and modify expectations of male or female children. It needs to be objectively taken - unless we have identified already that certain skills are unnecessary while others are required.

Anand K said...

As the wise sages say.... women can never equal men as long as they can't strut down the streets dressed in graffiti T-shirts and jock shorts; sporting humongous beer-guts, balding heads and crow's feet and still think they are beeeeauuuuutiful. So there!

Sir Lord Sextus Misogynus-Dinosaurus,
Knight of the MCP Order, 7th circle.
Recipient of Order of Commander James Bond Ist class; Param Vishist Patao Medal; Patao Vibhushan; Tucker Max Prize of 2005.

Anonymous said...

It was meant to be a humourous forward..Aren't you happy being the *female* person you are? I bet you are...;)

Aparna Menon said...

Sam: fully agree !!The same concept expressed in most ancient scripts but wrongly interpreted

Cheeseeey : Live n Let live is easy to say...but seldom implemented.

RBK : May your tribe increase!!

LightRain: I try not to get into debates. I have chewed all my finger nails and finally
when i start chewing on my fingers , i blog !!

Anand : don’t you secretly wish u see some women do that ;-) ?

Anon(PTR?) : Oh yes, i am so proud and happy being the female person i am :)

LightRain said...

Appu Kutti, sorry to be the dampener. But as an aside, I have never heard men say that they are proud to be men. Never heard of Mens' day (is there one?). Never heard of advertisements using the words ,"A time to celebrate manhood". Agreed, womanhood is glorified by all the beautiful experiences like motherhood, subtle understanding etc. But do we always need to underscore it? Doesnt wanting to emphasize it mean that we identify and try to overcome certain inferiorities? All said and done, there was a fifty percent chance we could have been men. So why cant we just be proud to be the people we are? Man or Woman. Why are we specially pleased about being the 'female' persons, especially since we dont even come from underprivileged backgrounds where we were discriminated against based on gender.

Anand K said...

What?!!! Wimmen with graffiti/punk wear and beer guts and bald heads... hell no!
I'd rather ogle at a bikini clad Osama Bin Laden. :P

Anonymous said...

Hmmm.... you lost the ground the moment you started defending...hey.... it would have been easy for u... if you just put this oft heard statement - "There is a woman behind every sucessful man", but don't forget it is the men who is still successful...lol

Wasn't it defleppard who sang ..."Two steps behind"... damn them... we are two steps ahead ;)

Unknown said...

thats a gud post Aparna..first time in ur blog. ...gud to see this...by the by do u remeber this poor soul
-nagu

Dh@v@! said...

Nice discussion Aparna...

Anonymous said...

Its like the age old Jamindar mentality, when some people had to convince themselves that they are good enough, by downplaying the other, few less fortunate ones. The person who says that he/she is better/ superior than his/her counterpart, in my opinion, needs nothing but empathy; because the person must be going through a bad identity crisis or maybe, has inferiority complex too!!!!
Me toooootally agree with you, aps...

The Wanderer™ said...

Nice stuff you have here..but dead blog now?

Suramya said...

It's inhuman to do comparision and ofcourse it's passe.

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Panchajanya said...

I totally agree with you. Nature had different agenda for both Male and Female. So it would not be correct to compare between them.

Women are responsible for creating life so their abilities such as understanding and tracking relationships,reading others' emotional states which support this function are better evolved. I guess Women would score Better in EQ scale. Women will do Great in jobs which require Teamwork and Parnering

However, Several studies have proved that Men on average have better IQ than women.A study has found that on an average men's brains has slightly more volume than womens.

Gaurav
http://nomadmolouges.blogspot.com///

Anonymous said...

it was fun reading this post... :)

Anonymous said...

Men and women are born with nothing that can be consider a great deal of "brain-gap". its just that later on some men get cranky ans feel superior and some women get crankier and join the race of no gain.

Anonymous said...

Some emails/SMS are supposed to be RSF (Read Smiled Forwarded). Do not give it a leagal/social/political status... unless the status itself is supposed to be RSF !!! ;-)

Robs said...

I guess girls and guys are fine the way they are :-) .. Imagine living in a world where 6 Billion people are exactly the same. Now at least 3 Bilion are different.